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Uncov got its first legal threat yesterday! I know that my post volume has slowed to a crawl, but I've been busy with a new job. In any event, this is an exciting new milestone.
CitizenRE is a company who is running, in my opinion, a hustle in the solar energy business. You sign up for CitizenRE, pay them a $500 "security deposit", and then monthly fees to rent solar panels for your house. You can sign up today, but the solar panels won't be delivered until they magically raise $650 million and build a solar panel plant that's the most efficient institution in the world. You'll pay them roughly what you'd pay your local electric company for solar energy. If this sounds like snake oil, that's because it is.
A solar rig for your house costs roughly $50,000. CitizenRE will hold you to a multi-year contract for their equipment, stretching up to 25 years. This is in effect an unsecured loan of $50,000. Oh yeah, this can't miss.
Furthermore, the company is running some kind of Mutli Level Marketing scheme where "Ecotrepreneurs" peddle this shit to unsuspecting homeowners. In fact, Rob Styler, the cocksteak who sent me the legal threat, was involved with a company called Equinox, a MLM company that was shut down for consumer fraud in 2000. He claims innocence, but has clearly never had a lesson in guilt by association.
Anyhow, here's the threat:
Your blog was brought to my attention. There are too many factual errors to deal with all of them at this time, so let's focus on two sentences:
If that wasn't awesome enough, Citizenre's is run by a bunch of clowns who used to work at Equinox, the illegal pyramid marketing scheme. Citizenre's founders did so much sketchy pyramid shit that they have been legally banned from pyramid marketing.
I am the only one of Citizenre's senior staff who was involved with Equinox (factual error #1). I worked with Equinox for 5 years, from 1992 to 1997. In 1996 we were ranked by INC Magazine "as the fastest growing privately held corporation in the U.S". In 1997, I uncovered what I felt to be unethical behavior. I left, wrote a book, and my book inspired a federal investigation. I became the lead federal witness for the government and Equinox was shut down for consumer fraud in April of 2000. The owner of Equinox, Bill Gouldd, was banned from network marketing, not me (factual error #2). Pyramids are illegal by definition and thus no one can be legally banned from an illegal activity (factual error #3).
I was on the board of directors for the Multi Level Marketing International Association and have never been banned or sanctioned from anything. You have a First Amendment right to share your opinion, but libel is not included in that right and libel has significant consequences, both legal and financial. Either you did no research or you are purposely spreading lies. You can look through the publicly available court documents regarding Equinox to gain the facts.
If you continue to post these lies on the web after your factual errors has been brought to your attention, I will have to assume that your intent is malicious and respond accordingly.
Best,
Rob Styler
This guy clearly does not understand how the internet works. The post he's referring to was written by one of our users, and he comes after me. That's like threatening Google for something that somebody wrote on Blogger. Since there's still a case pending to decide whether or not a service provider can be held liable for stuff printed on their service, I deleted the post. I don't have the time to go head to head with some born-again scam artist.
Anyway, fuck you, Rob. Threatening a website that has less than 10,000 readers. That's just tacky.
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the internet is serious business
Poor Rob doesn't understand the internet. Nice piece, Ted.
I hope this is the beginning of a long and fruitful career of legal threats!
I apologize for the misunderstanding, Ted
Dear Ted:
The only contact information on the page was yours, so it was my only way to make sure that the misinformation was corrected. I explained our business to you in detail, but you still post factual errors. No one pays any security deposits until we have all of our funding secured and we have done a site visit on their house and we are ordering their panels to be installed within two weeks. By that time we will have our manufacturing plant in place and there will be no question about our ability to install their system. We don't hold anyone to a multi-year contract. The consumer can cancel at anytime and they can sign up for a 1, 5 or 25 year contract--it is their choice. If they cancel before the end of the term, all they lose is their security deposit of roughly $500 (it is between $500 to $1000 depending on the size of the system, but the majority are $500). If you compare that with the cost and hassle of installing a system yourself, most people agree that it is a great deal. Our goal is to make getting solar as simple as putting a satellite dish on your roof.
I also explained my involvement with Equinox in detail. Yes, I worked with them for 5 years. The specifics are in my book, Spellbound, My Journey through a tangled web of success. I completely own the fact that I got caught up in the "American Dream" of making money. I learned many valuable lessons during that time. I thought that we are on a crusade to save the planet with our environmental products. There were some great people and some great aspects to Equinox. But, in my opinion, the company lost its core of integrity and I left. Equinox sued me for $2 million dollars trying to keep my quiet. I lost my car, my house, basically everything I owned...not because they won the lawsuit, but because I invested so much time and energy to correct what I felt was wrong. Equinox was shut down and fined $50MM, that is to be paid out to people who lost money (I don't get a dime) When I realized that I had led people down a false path, I went through years of controversy and turmoil to do everything possible to fix it, so I am a little defensive when people post misinformation about me regarding Equinox, especially when it is used to create an incorrect perception about Citizenre.
It has taken us longer to secure our funding than we planned, but we have an incredible group of people who are pushing forward against all odds to make this vision of bringing renewable energy to the masses a reality.
I regret that my effort to correct the information on your website has upset you. Once you shared that you did not write that post, I apologized and spent time answering your questions. If I owned a website that had misinformation, I would be thankful to have it corrected.
Best,
Rob
PS I don't have the time to go back and forth here. If anyone is interested, they can find information on our solar solution at www.jointhesolution.com and on our business opportunity at www.powur.com
How scammers market their books
I'm not a scam artist. Buy my book, it explains everything.
powur?
"If I owned a website that had misinformation, I would be thankful to have it corrected ... If anyone is interested, they can find information on ... our business opportunity at www.powur.com"
Um, ok. You spelled POWER wrong, you nincompoop.
Okay Rob, so with your
Okay Rob, so with your experience at Equinox you were either:
A) Incredibly unlucky
B) Stupid enough to not notice it was a giant scam and to be the guy holding the shitty end of the stick
C) A rat who turned on his co-workers to save his own ass
Or probably a combination of all three. Either way, none of that makes me want to go in to business with your company.
Rob's reply better than expected
Congrats on getting a reply from the CitizenRE honcho! Looks real to me; earnest yet vague.
CitizenRE is a silly MLM pyramid, but Rob Styler is more articulate in his reply than the rude boys on this site were in their original blog entries.
You're a bunch of soreheads anyway. CitizenRE is an unethical and harmful way to prey on people's optimism and idealism, but it's almost legal!
Ted Upset?
"I regret that my effort to correct the information on your website has upset you."
Apparently he doesn't know the first thing about Uncov - Ted seemed to be relatively friendly and respectful with his post.
On the Internet ...
"This guy clearly does not understand how the internet works"
That pretty much sums it up right there. What this guy fails to realize is that on the Internet no cares about your origin story. This is not Marvel fucking Comics and you are not Solur, The Man with Silicon Skin™.
Citizenre
The originator of this thread is clearly a moron. How do you figure Citizenre is a scam when they don't even collect the $500 deposit until they are ready to install the $20,000+ solar array? Let's see now, $500 in one hand - $20,000 in the other, duh....
maybe you missed
the part where this is a company that hands out $50,000 unsecured loans left right and center
it's a pyramid scheme, retard